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 No.1

如何发帖?

打开一个板块,在页面上方输入帖子的主题、内容,并选择一张配图,即可发帖。请永远不要输入昵称和电子邮箱,除非是很特别的情况。哪怕发表作品最好也不要给出身份。发帖时必须配图,回复时无要求。Unix 用户注意,浏览器在显示贴子时会自动根据当前宽度换行,正常情况下,请不要按 Enter 让每一行变短。另外,测试发帖建议前往>>>/test/,避免影响正常讨论。

如何看贴、回贴?

如果要详细查看某个贴子,或者回复某个具体的贴子,请点击顶楼的“回复”按钮,即可打开贴子。用页面上方的文本框跟帖。若要回应某一楼的跟帖,点击该楼层的数字编号,就会在正文中自动插入类似“>>1”的文本,意为“该贴是 No.1 的回应”,发送后会变成可点击的链接,这就是回复时的格式。请注意,回帖后,将会自动跳回板块。

如何格式化文本?

[b]加粗[/b]
[i]倾斜[/i]
[spoiler]黑幕/剧透[/spoiler]
[code]"代码";[/code]

如何使用特殊命令?

如果你看到了质量很差的贴子,或者质量很差的跟帖评论,除了在回应时给出提醒,还可以在电子邮箱里输入单词 sage。sage 命令意为“回贴但不顶贴”,可以避免低质量的讨论被顶到板块首页。这也被视为一人对另一人的严重警告,有让对方闭嘴的意思。

回帖后,将会自动跳回板块。如果希望进行连续回复,可以在电子邮箱里输入单词 noko,意为站着不动,可以在提交贴子后返回原贴而不跳转。

如何删除贴子?

发帖时可以设置密码,随后勾选发帖人“匿名”左侧的复选框,在弹出菜单中输入密码。

如果没有设置密码,发帖时会随机生成一个,并自动保存在浏览器里,误发帖后,浏览器如果还未关闭,可以直接勾选删除,无需输入密码。

为什么要建立这个论坛

网络攻击、言论审查与大规模信息收集,已经成为了全世界网民所面临的严峻问题。在中文互联网,保护用户的匿名网络发展缓慢,而且一直缺乏稳定的中文社区,进一步制约了其发展和使用;与此同时,明网上现有的技术社区受到了环境的不利影响,连基本的讨论都夹杂着各种暗语。在最坏的情况下,密码技术的讨论、开发,甚至会影响个人安全。

wa11ed.city 是匿名中文社区的一次尝试。首先,这是一个安全、开放的技术讨论社区,发帖时无需过分顾虑内容,可以大胆提出技术设想,专注于正题而不受干扰;其次,我们希望成为 i2p 上的稳定的中文讨论区,帮助 i2p 的中文社区发展,起到抛砖引玉的作用。

讨论的话题都有哪些?

我们将以互联网技术为核心,特别是自由/开源软件、密码学、系统安全、匿名网络、隐私保护等主题,同时除了技术本身,同时关注与其相关政策与社会影响,这就是论坛的主要讨论方向。

虽然如此,我们也不希望过于呆板,实际允许的话题是非常宽泛的。具体来说,目前的板块划分如下:

/bb/ - 老大哥。这个板块讨论和社区主题相关的社会类主题,特别是时事新闻、政府政策、企业动向等(即“老大哥”),例如城市里有多少个摄像头,Google 的数据库里又有多少大数据,俄罗斯当局带走了 Debian 开发者等等。

/cyb/ - 赛博空间。这个板块讨论互联网、信息技术、自由软件、开源项目、密码学等,与信息、网络有关的一切内容(即“赛博空间”),同时也讨论切题的泛科技主题,如电子学等。

/r/ - 随机版。如果你的话题不属于其他板块,欢迎前来讨论。

/meta/ - 元板块。对网站本身的 Bug 报告、建议、意见。

可以看到,我们也使板块的话题尽可能宽泛。此外,还特别设立一个板块:

/a/ - 动画、漫画。动画是网络文化的重要组成部分,大量日文、中文和英文的网络模因(memes)都来自泛动画社区,无论是“all your base are belong to us”还是“回老家结婚”,多年前就已是网络的固定话语了。不夸张地说,没有动画,恐怕该论坛程序都不可能运行在这里。因此,本站以依传统设置 /a/ 板块,任何泛动画社区话题均可讨论,不限于狭义的动画、漫画。

浏览器为什么有安全警告?

许多浏览器都会对 HTTP 页面发出警告,特别是本站上有一个用于删除帖子的密码框,更是会引发警告。如果你是通过本机的 i2p 访问本网站,i2p 就已经保证了数据传输的安全性,可以无视警告。如果你是通过某个明网的网关访问该网站,请尽量使用 HTTPS,并不要无视任何警告。

不欢迎的内容

匿名网络,并非无秩序的网络。言论自由固然重要,但这并不代表某个社区内部没有行为规范。我们并非不了解贴图版的言论无限制的传统,但我们认为,许多言论对这个具体的社区是弊大于利的:

1. 明显的违法内容,如批量的影视资源发布、儿童色情、管制药物、倒卖个人信息、数据库、信用卡等地下交易,这些内容不但与论坛的主题不符,而且会造成严重的法律威胁。

2. 无关政治讨论。虽然时政话题是允许的,而且是核心主题之一。但是,事实证明无限度的政治讨论会破坏社区的讨论氛围,还会吸引低质量的评论者,所谓“政治厨”。因此,和论坛主要讨论方向无关的政治话题,会根据情况删除。如国家高层有什么样的阴谋,郭先生曝光了执政党的什么内幕,或者欧美白人如何团结起来对抗犹太阴谋集团,或者是发帖引来意识形态对喷等。

3. 发起社会运动。当然,宣传密码学、远离后门、乃至卸载 Adobe Flash 等,本来就都是社会运动,我们当然欢迎。但是现实中“直接行动”类的社会运动,例如组织、号召网络攻击、在线骚扰、游行示威、罢课罢工、茉莉花革命等,这些和论坛主题没有直接关系,而且还带偏了主要讨论方向。

此外,这是一个论坛社区,不是区块链,我们保留删除任何“不受欢迎的内容”的权力。

4. 发动圣战,无论是政治、技术还是文化的。如果在某方面有自己的不同看法,应该详细阐述和讨论,并非互相攻击。像“我的技术秒杀你的技术”(如文本编辑器、笔记本电脑等)这样的低质量讨论意义不大。

论坛上为什么有一些莫名其妙的贴子?

可能是之前有人进行系统测试时的随意发帖,请无视,不要效仿它们进行发帖。若想测试,请前往>>>/test/

网页的样式为什么这么烂?

我们都不是前端开发专家或者设计师,只会一些基本的 CSS 用法。欢迎使用浏览器的开发者工具进行试验,并将调优的建议反馈给我们。

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> 板块划分:

以后是否考虑增加 /a/ 呢?
当然这里不是 chan
多写一些防止被判定为灌水……

 No.5

>>2
>以后是否考虑增加 /a/ 呢?

看来要 /a/ 已经是共识了,这就去添加一个。

此外,vichan 的系统只允许在版块之间移动贴子,不允许在贴子之间移动贴子。已经手工完成你的移动,下次发帖善用电子邮件栏中的 noko 命令,可以发帖后不离开该贴;删除贴子的功能也可以加以利用,随机生成的删除密码默认保存在浏览器中,可直接删除。

 No.6

> 删除贴子的功能也可以加以利用,随机生成的删除密码默认保存在浏览器中,可直接删除。

这个还真的不清楚,一直以为需要手动设置。现在发一个回复试试看。

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问: 关于
> 1. 明显的违法内容,如批量的影视资源发布
如何界定批量与否?比如 5个资源以上?10个?1000个?

 No.8

>>7
如果时不时有人发送资源分享,是不会有太大问题的。链接是用户发布的,下载地址是第三方的,依照安全港原则,如果版权方警告,及时删除即可。这类资源发布是无需专门禁止的。怕的是论坛被资源发布组一类组织,变成它们资源发布基地;或者是出现了广泛的散布资源现象(所谓“warez”),论坛跟早年的地下骇客 BBS 一样,到处都是资源,这类才是我们希望禁止的。

这算是对这条规则的解释。短期内我们也看不到这类的可能性,无需特别注意。

 No.9

>>8
我認爲可以理解詞條規則,我們可以儘量採取“轉發”已有資源的方式。尤其是第三方網站上的下載連接、BT磁鏈,最好著名出處。少發整張專輯或整個系列,轉貼一些值得欣賞和收藏的單個資源等等……

 No.10

>>9
i2p 可以多多利用 postman.i2p.

 No.11

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sup nips welcome to i2p
now go make a /int*/

 No.12

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>>11
You can find the half-completed English introduction at http://city.i2p/.

Long story short, this board has its very purpose for a tech forum, discussing potentially problematic topics such as anonymous network or crypto in China, rather than a place for the lulz, trolling or meme magic. Think it as a click-and-post version of mailing list.

Moreover given the fact that unlike Russia, imageboard culture is almost non-existent in China, a /int/ board simply doesn't work, and we don't have plan to add it in a foreseeable future, meanwhile other chans, like endchan would be a better choice for /int/.

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>>12

>Think it as a click-and-post version of mailing list.


That's cool. You have to admit, though, you've got a lot of anime grills here for a mailing list. Know what I'm sayin'?

Good luck in your endeavors. I hope your site is successful. I2P needs more Chinese content. Actually, it needs more content in all of the major languages, including English.

 No.14

>>13
>That's cool.
Thanks for your support.

>You have to admit, though, you've got a lot of anime grills here for a mailing list. Know what I'm sayin'?

lol. Since it is still an imageboard, it won't never be as strict as something like Linux Kernel Mailing List. Most things from the chan world still applies to here, /a/ is for anime and manga here.

Just don't bring garbage and too much shitposting here, such as those from 4chan /g/, "best linux is what?" without any real discussions. It's our point, making a higher standard of post.

>Good luck in your endeavors. I hope your site is successful.

I wonder… The current problem is site promotion, how do we bring people here without revealing our identity? First, we assume there are a few Chinese users looking around on i2p, so we can post it somewhere on i2p. It was easier in the old times when we can post it to the Chinese board at forum.i2p, now forum.i2p is down, it is not easy for a newcomer to use identiguy.i2p or I2PWiki to find the site. Second, we also have Tor and clearnet gateway, but if we ask the people in other community where we are active, it will be easy to get our identity revealed. What is your advice?

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>>14

I'm afraid I don't have much good advice to offer. I have found it difficult to get people interested in anonymous online communities. Perhaps it would be possible for you to sign up for a sockpuppet account on one of the clearnet sites you're on in order to promote your I2P/Tor sites.

I would think that there would be enough people to sustain a community like this, however, simply based on the number of Chinese speakers in the world and the fact that so many of them are behind the Great Firewall. I guess finding them and getting them to come is the problem.

Too few people are willing to get I2P or Tor set up, in my opinion. When the administrator of /b/ on 8chan turned on IDs, I was shocked at how few people were using the hidden service to post on the site (which displays an ID of 000000).

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>>19

> however, simply based on the number of Chinese speakers in the world and the fact that so many of them are behind the Great Firewall. I guess finding them and getting them to come is the problem.


People in China will get troubles if they are using tor, which is easily to be recognized by GFW. (I'm not sure about I2P). It is the reality that it could became a threat.

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>>14
>>19
I actually have some advice,
I could help you setup your own nntpchan aka modern ib based usenet just encase you wanted a decentralized ib (You know just encase your fedcoats get you the federation still runs).
The frontends are crappy though so you might want to make your own theme.
Also don't try joining the overchan federation, you already stated you don't want to be drowned in shitposting, just make your own the hierarchy can be something like wa11ed.* (indicating the federation name is wa11ed)

Well do you actually have anyone that would want to peer with you though? "talking other chinese friends here"

You can get the code for the frontend over i2p here, http://git.psi.i2p/psi/nntpchan be careful there's tons of normal internet links and the lead dev will probably want you to join overchan and get mad when you call it usenet.
You next need to pick out a newsdaemon to have nntpchan sit on-top of, srndv2 is the commonly used one for this setup but I use inn.
Here's srndv2: http://git.psi.i2p/psi/srndv2
Remember git usually backends on curl for http/s operation so the envs http_proxy and https_proxy is what your looking for. (there's also git config http.proxy and https.proxy which keep breaking for me)

Good luck chinese ppl need more freech also git.psi.i2p is slowwwww even for an eepsite.

 No.22

>>21
also freech = freedom of speech, I know you might not be into some really obscure internet speech and memes.

 No.24

>>21
>>22

>I could help you setup your own nntpchan aka modern ib based usenet

Just as you would expect from an obscure anonymous website, we are fully aware of Usenet and NNTPchan, and we certainty do have the plan to adopt it in the future. But we don't think it's the right time to do it now, we are heading to the realm of unknown, nobody knows what we are heading to.

In China, we have almost nothing for a thing like this. We run the website as-if for an undecided amount of time, in this time period, if a community we want, does actually starts to form here, lots of conversations, we will active NNTPchan at that time.But for now, see as it goes.

Thanks for the pointers and great suggestion of the program!

>also freech = freedom of speech, I know you might not be into some really obscure internet speech and memes.

No, we are not meme gurus, get confused by an obscure meme from time to time, but just happen to know this one :-).

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>>24
>nobody knows what we are heading to.
<nobody> the middle of nowhere
We are just going to have to see the next few months, I guess, I also have no idea how you would bring in users. special printed codes on innocent looking flyers randomly placed everywhere?
I'm sure you know this, i2p had china nodes for a while now… so there's obviously people in china finding i2p or well people paying for vpses in china plus hosting a node.

>we are not meme gurus

You will be meme gods the second you understand what i2p is mostly made of, some postman's torrents should make this obvious. t. where's jrandom now

 No.28

>>25
>i2p had china nodes for a while now… so there's obviously people in china finding i2p or well people paying for vpses in china plus hosting a node.
The simple fact that i2p has some China nodes, doesn't mean there are enough active users… I once estimated the total number of users in China, I don't even want to tell after thinking about the consequence…

 No.283

I'm surprised that people in China who run I2P are not hunted down by the government.

 No.284

Can you people please explain to me, how the fuck is i2p not blocked in China if it is blocked on my uni wifi?

 No.285

>>284
Only reseed servers are blocked so i2p cannot bootstrap itself. Just download some seeds manually and you're good to go.

 No.286

>>283
I2p can not be easily shut down because it's original design. But if you are using I2P in CN, you put yourself into dangers - there are seldom people really using I2P in CN, so your are easily be located.

 No.304

音乐区啊音乐区

 No.320

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>>286
>I2p can not be easily shut down because it's original design. But if you are using I2P in CN, you put yourself into dangers - there are seldom people really using I2P in CN, so your are easily be located.
Wouldn't a cjdns meshnet help with something like this? That way all the traffic goes through locally and is end-to-end encrypted.

 No.321

>>320
E2E communication itself in CN is dangerous. 'cz cops can knock your door as there are not many ppl do E2E communication.

 No.322

>>320
>>321
>E2E communication itself in CN is dangerous
Not really. HTTPS is arguably a form of E2E communication, too, yet nobody gets any trouble by using it. PGP/GPG is also widely-used by developers of open source projects. The real problem is peer-to-peer communication, and the size of our anonymity set.

Think about it, If everyone starts to use cjdns to build private networks or to run i2p, or use some other tools for similar purposes, as long as few users are using them, the authorities can still physically inspect every single user involved. To solve this problem, you need either, (a) hide the existence or the nature of your application, or (b) get a lot of users to use it.

Hiding the application can be accomplished by running innocent-looking encrypted traffic, such as hiding the traffic behind a cloud hosting service combined with HTTPS and authentication. If SNI Encryption or Domain Fronting is used, it is impossible to tell what application you are running. However, it only works for a centralized service or an access point, not a decentralized application. Hiding your traffic inside the well-known proxy package - shadowsocks, or a VPN can be a solution, yet it's still limited to personal use and can't be utilized in a peer-to-peer manner.

 No.324

Another approach is establishing a friend-to-friend network to only make internal connections to the people you trust, like cjdns with meshnet. However, you can't hide the fact that you are participating this peer-to-peer network, simple packet captures can reveal it. And if most people are here for the "disruptive technology", it is not hard to see the eventual outcome…

Thus increasing the users, or the size of the anonymity set is the only solution. Piggybacking a common protocol can be a way, n the future, if a diverse group of people starts to use a alternative network, it may be a solution, but I don't see how currently it can be done. By the way, cjdns-like networks are not anonymous, if the anonymous network is open and public, even if it's running inside this network, it still does nothing to prevent collecting a list of users who are using it.

 No.325

>>324
Is you are about to setup a telecommunication service even if it's for personal use, actually you need a ratification from a government department in Beijing, otherwise it's illegal.

 No.326

>>322
A legal HTTPS service in China should not be considered E2E given new state and network security law in China actually authorize police to take charge of any facility within mainland and therefore force the service provider to use the 'ratified' private key.

 No.327

>>326
>force the service provider to use the 'ratified' private key.
Nowadays the standard HTTPS uses Diffie-Hellman key exchange, in which the RSA private key is only used for signature, not encryption, and there is no evidence or indication that the session keys are stored in bulk, or generated by backdoored code. Because it is not needed anyway. All the user data is on the server, you just need to provide user data and logs to the authorities, not the decrypted communication. You see, it's still E2E, just that the other "end" in not trustworthy. In the same sense, you can send a PGP-encrypted message to the NSA.

But this is not what I'm talking about, neither I understand your main thesis of the argument.

>A legal HTTPS service in China

I never mentioned it. I meant "connecting to a HTTPS service from China". It is perfectly safe to connect Amazon, Azure, or Cloudflare. It is just my example to show that practical E2E communication is completely possible and the size of the "anonymity set" is important.

I see how the confusion started now… To make it clear, I'm NOT the original poster of the question in >>320, I'm also waiting for 320's response.

After solving the confusion, here I clarify my arguments as the following.

 No.328

>>325
>Is you are about to setup a telecommunication service even if it's for personal use
It's hypothetical. My central argument is,
>To solve this problem, you need either, (a) hide the existence or the nature of your application, or (b) get a lot of users to use it.
The following is just some examples to show the difficulties of (a) and (b). Ultimately, my conclusion is that there is some solutions for connecting to a centralize network, such as an application or Tor under the radar, but currently no good solution to establish a peer-to-peer network.

As you see, I share the same conclusion with you.

 No.331

FAQ中,“我也有我的法律” 配图中的 “法律” 是著名的SICP吗?

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>>331
是的,我的孩子。

 No.337

>>322

>Hiding the application can be accomplished by running…

I should mark this. Thank you for the introduction.



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